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i think the same on doma. we may even do better on doma. >> cenk: man, you are full of boldness today. but you mentioned earlier it could be a narrow ruling. what would that mean and what would be the effect of that? >> in both cases they could decide not to decide. they could say we don't think that the people who are appealing this in other words the proponents of prop 8, we don't think they have the standing or legitimacy to be before us today, and we're just going to let the previous court ruling stand. that could happen. >> cenk: in which case prop 8 would loose. >> exactly. >> cenk: but that would not apply to the rest of the state. so it is kind of like punting. >> it is kind of like punting, but i would be surprised if they issue a brood ruling saying that all 50 states have to accept voted that way, would they be an american hero? >> they i would be. look what roberts did on, quote unquote, obamacare. one reason he did it for sure is because chief justice roberts doesn't want his institution, the supr
i think the same on doma. we may even do better on doma. >> cenk: man, you are full of boldness today. but you mentioned earlier it could be a narrow ruling. what would that mean and what would be the effect of that? >> in both cases they could decide not to decide. they could say we don't think that the people who are appealing this in other words the proponents of prop 8, we don't think they have the standing or legitimacy to be before us today, and we're just going to let the...
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i want to begin with you because you experienced the injury of doma which is to say what did doma mean in your life? what did it deny you would have had if doma was not will? >> i was in an interesting position because i was in the house with my husband during the debate in 1996. and even then, we saw that it was blatant discrimination against gay people. i remember that gerry went on the floor and spoke he made as much into and did everything every other member of congress did. but yet, the protections that their spouses would have would be denied me. little did i know that we would get married six years later and little did i know that he would die two years after that. it hurt then knowing that congress was putting a law on the books that hurt me personally. it was even harder after he died to know that what was in abstract point in the 1996 was now concrete reality that i was denied anything that a spouse of a federal employee for 25 years would have been given in due course. >> when would that have been? i mean -- presumably -- pension benefits. >> pension benefits. health insuran
i want to begin with you because you experienced the injury of doma which is to say what did doma mean in your life? what did it deny you would have had if doma was not will? >> i was in an interesting position because i was in the house with my husband during the debate in 1996. and even then, we saw that it was blatant discrimination against gay people. i remember that gerry went on the floor and spoke he made as much into and did everything every other member of congress did. but yet,...
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i think doma is doomed. i think the only reason is just pure animus, dislike of gay people and i don't think anthony kennedy will sit still for that and i think there are five votes -- forget the whole federalism issue, it's a straight up equal protection argument that you can't discriminate against people like that. >> but if it is, why can the state do that by not recognizing the marriage in the first place? i'm for that but if you take seriously that equality argument jeff, that if she were married to a man she'd get the benefits but not if she was married to a woman, the deep logic argument is same-sex marriage everywhere, i'm for that. but i don't know if justice kennedy is yet. >> but you could write that opinion to limit it just to doma. you're a law professor, you can do a slippery slope in your sleep. (laughter) i'm talking about one case at a time here. >> i think at some level jeffrey is right, this is about core equality, core citizenship. the freedom to mar marry is based in the declaration of i
i think doma is doomed. i think the only reason is just pure animus, dislike of gay people and i don't think anthony kennedy will sit still for that and i think there are five votes -- forget the whole federalism issue, it's a straight up equal protection argument that you can't discriminate against people like that. >> but if it is, why can the state do that by not recognizing the marriage in the first place? i'm for that but if you take seriously that equality argument jeff, that if she...
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no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it, along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> reporter: public opinion polls show more than half of americans now support it. supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme court disagrees with these claims, history will not look fondly on it. the court almost prides itself in moving very slowly, not being out in front of the culture, lagging behind some. that's probably the dilemma for the justices. >> reporter: and there is a footnote. among those who do have a seat inside for tomorrow's argument is a cousin of chief justice john roberts. jean pedroski of san francisco. she writes in an online commentary that she's a lesbian. she hopes to soon get married if the supreme court permits it. brian? >> pete williams at the court where the excitement starts tomorrow. pete, thanks. >>> in
no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it, along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> reporter: public opinion polls show more than half of americans now support it. supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme court disagrees with...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller powerful sheet. the only one with trap + lock technology. look! one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. use less. with the small but powerful picker upper, bounty select-a-size. >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may,
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. >> trees are closer to us -- whoooo! you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no! stop...stop... (mom) i raised my son to be careful... hi, sweetie. hi, mom. (mom) but just to be safe... i got a subaru. (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. ( bull roar ) ...if you don't attend the running of the bulls. ole! >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may, citing his 2016 potential. meanwhile, politico reports to
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. >> trees are closer to us -- whoooo! you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no!...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting tacky little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week. these are sandra's "homemade" yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one. [ man ] excuse me miss. [ gasps ] this fiber one 90 calorie brownie has all the deliciousness you desire. the brownie of your
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they include california's proposition 8 case on tuesday and the defense of marriage act or doma on wednesday. one of the top attorneys arguing against prop 8 which bans sa same-sex marriage in the state predicted a win while speaking on "meet the press." >> every time the supreme court makes a decision, it's making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. we've done it with race, with women, with every discriminating class and, remember, when the united states supreme court outlawed the bans on interracial marriage in 1967, 64% of the american people opposed interracial marriage and yet when that decision came down, there wasn't a ripple. >> today more than 160 rallies are planned across the country in support of what advocates call marriage equality. a recent abc news/"washington post" poll shows most americans think same-sex marriage should be legal. a major shift from nine years ago when more people were against gay marriage than were for it. but the poll also shows a significant age divide. 70% of people under the age of 40 support same-s
they include california's proposition 8 case on tuesday and the defense of marriage act or doma on wednesday. one of the top attorneys arguing against prop 8 which bans sa same-sex marriage in the state predicted a win while speaking on "meet the press." >> every time the supreme court makes a decision, it's making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. we've done it with race, with women, with every discriminating class and,...
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a week from today, the supreme court hears an argument in the doma case. it's going to be an extraordinarily significant event. what i'm seeing right now is shaping out in the washington media, and so this week i've seen an article on family choices of the supreme court justices where they describe the demographics of nine justices, some never married, some marrieded late, some adopted children, some have no children. it's interesting because the fundamental defense that remains under doma is the idea that a marriage between a man and a woman is the only vehicle in which you can have procreation, the appropriate role to raise a choild. that really is the strongest argument for those who would still seek to retain doma and the idea of marriage between a man and a woman of the only legitimate vehicle. in the post, this week, there's a series of articles designed methodically to strike down the idea that procreation is the only thing worth saving, and so we have the family choices of nine supreme court justices. we've had a poll of the views of various citize
a week from today, the supreme court hears an argument in the doma case. it's going to be an extraordinarily significant event. what i'm seeing right now is shaping out in the washington media, and so this week i've seen an article on family choices of the supreme court justices where they describe the demographics of nine justices, some never married, some marrieded late, some adopted children, some have no children. it's interesting because the fundamental defense that remains under doma is...
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the same thing tomorrow with the defense of marriage act who where the president has said, doma is unconstitutional and prohibited the justice department from defending it. so chief justice tomorrow will probably say, who are you, what are you doing sneer you don't represent the federal government so these are two very unique procedural quirks the court may say, we're not ready to hear either case. >> shepard: in the first scenario that you mentioned, proposition 8 goes away, that affects california and california only jibe correct. >> shepard: then what what we expect to see in days, months, and years ahead, is a series of lawsuits individual to each stae that's correct. >> shepard: and then as the tide turns and people under the age of 25 don't understand why you care who else gets married. come on. then eventually the government would recognize that, when they say equal protection, they meant equal protection for everybody. for women, meant equal protection for black people, for gay people, they mean equal protection for all the people. and if the majority doesn't like it, that's too bad. >> tha
the same thing tomorrow with the defense of marriage act who where the president has said, doma is unconstitutional and prohibited the justice department from defending it. so chief justice tomorrow will probably say, who are you, what are you doing sneer you don't represent the federal government so these are two very unique procedural quirks the court may say, we're not ready to hear either case. >> shepard: in the first scenario that you mentioned, proposition 8 goes away, that affects...
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doma can affect over 1,000 benefits. everything from the way married couples pay their taxes to who getting notified as next of kin in the event military personnel are injured or killed in the line of duty. the first case on the docket on tuesday is a challenge to california's proposition 8 which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. it's about equal protection and whether the fundamental right of marriage extends to same-sex couples. it's being brought by same-sex couples from california who say they have the right to be married fp there is also a very interesting question here of whether the people defending proposition 8 are able to showi case. supporters of prop x 8 has to show same-sex marriage causes them tangible harm. >> it's interesting because there seems to be such optimism on the part of gay rights advocates that they will rule in their favor. >> and the question of course is whether now is the time. there has been an internal debate in legal circles whether this is the time to actually bring cases l
doma can affect over 1,000 benefits. everything from the way married couples pay their taxes to who getting notified as next of kin in the event military personnel are injured or killed in the line of duty. the first case on the docket on tuesday is a challenge to california's proposition 8 which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. it's about equal protection and whether the fundamental right of marriage extends to same-sex couples. it's being brought by same-sex couples from...
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[applause] doma we are separate, forced into two tears in recognition of support. hands of the military art tied by the federal government and it is now in the hands of the supreme court. youow these justices and know these justices will do the right thing because they have done it before. it was this court that desegregated public schools. [applause] that struckcourt down laws prohibiting interracial marriages. [applause] in the twoe be true cases before the court right now. we are equal. [applause] my marriage is equal to any other marriage. [applause] my children's happiness and their future are as precious to me as any other mother's. [applause] , ii lost my spouse in combat would suffer as painfully as any other military wife would suffer. [applause] .ecause, because we are equal [applause] collects -- >> wow. let's take a moment to thank the families. we are equal. our families are equal. our families are equal. our families are equal. our families are equal. all right. thank you, thank you. it brings me great pleasure to bring up gets another family. thomas
[applause] doma we are separate, forced into two tears in recognition of support. hands of the military art tied by the federal government and it is now in the hands of the supreme court. youow these justices and know these justices will do the right thing because they have done it before. it was this court that desegregated public schools. [applause] that struckcourt down laws prohibiting interracial marriages. [applause] in the twoe be true cases before the court right now. we are equal....
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prop 8 about people's right to get playered, doma about, what to do when they're married and can they get federal benefits. >> this is a case brought by a woman who was in a long term relationship with another woman. was married. when her partner died, was charged estate tax that she would not have been charged. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." make sure you follow andrea's travels with secretary kerry. tamron hall has a look at what's next on "news nation." >>> breaking news, we'll play the audio now and from the supreme court's nearly 90-minute arguments over california's ban on same sex marriage. pete williams is live outside the supreme court. plus the latest on what the white house is saying today. and we're following another developing story. a new jersey dad, father of five, expected to make a big announcement in about five minutes. he is claiming that winning lottery ticket. the largest lottery jackpot in history. plus, bill clinton jumped into the player's race in los angeles. but why? we're going to get the first read
prop 8 about people's right to get playered, doma about, what to do when they're married and can they get federal benefits. >> this is a case brought by a woman who was in a long term relationship with another woman. was married. when her partner died, was charged estate tax that she would not have been charged. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." make sure you follow andrea's travels with secretary kerry....
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so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state solution, whichever state like california, basically giving a bunch of benefits with the exception of the wore marriage then they would have to adopt it, because there's no reason why -- the state can't have an interest in denying the word marriage if it is giving all of the benefits of marriage. and then there is the constitutional right to marriage nationwide. but what he was saying was at the very least they overturn doma and give a narrow ruling upholding the strikedown of prop 8. he thought there was zero chance that they did anything negative to hurt same-sex marriage. >> bill: so rob portm
so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state...
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and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court decides to not issue a ruling or substantive ruling on the merits. if they decide to rule procedurally that the case is not ready for the decision. it's one of two lower court rulings is what is going to stand. and both the lower courts in this case ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. so-- >> meaning a win for gay marriage proponents if the supreme court punts on it. >> that's right. so if the court decides not to decide, the plaintiffs, the gay marriage advocates are going to be the winners in this. >> megyn: before i get to maggie, just as a procedural matter,
and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court...
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. >> i know we were talking about bill clinton recently wanting the supreme court to overterm o dd doma and was that a cat take list for hillary clinton? >> i think we can probably guess pretty well that people's family influences were there on this issue. hillary clinton said it herself in the clip you played. and certainly president obama was moved as he said by his daughters and his wife. so i would imagine that the former president and chelsea had an influence on where the secretary ended up, as well. >> brian, last question. just you and me and a couple people watching. are there any more big named announcements in the works for you? >> well, we've seen seen a lot of really exciting developments on the issue of marriage. >> folks like -- >> you know, you never know who the next person will be. but i'm sure we'll be hearing from more people in the coming days and weeks. >> i tried. brian, thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> new york mayor michael bloomberg is proposing yet another health initiative. this one would require stores to keep tobacco products hidden in cabinets behind c
. >> i know we were talking about bill clinton recently wanting the supreme court to overterm o dd doma and was that a cat take list for hillary clinton? >> i think we can probably guess pretty well that people's family influences were there on this issue. hillary clinton said it herself in the clip you played. and certainly president obama was moved as he said by his daughters and his wife. so i would imagine that the former president and chelsea had an influence on where the...
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of history in her view and the view of her party coming up with a video changing the clinton view on doma and in the republican party, we're hearing from all across the spectrum that regardless of what the supreme court does the party needs to have a more libertarian view on this. republicans are telling us it would be a huge help with fund-raising especially in the big states of new york, california, and florida. if the republican party were to be more open on this. and people are telling us that investors don't want to invest what they think losing national elections which could continue to be the case if republicans stay very narrow on this issue. republicans i talked to even extremely conservative ones, very christian conservative republicans are telling me the polls they have seen in the last couple of weeks have been eye-opening, showing not only that young people very heavily in favor of gay marriage, but if you extrapolate that a little bit in just 10, 20 years, this is going to be 70/30 issue that republicans are going to be quickly going to be on the wrong side of. >> to your po
of history in her view and the view of her party coming up with a video changing the clinton view on doma and in the republican party, we're hearing from all across the spectrum that regardless of what the supreme court does the party needs to have a more libertarian view on this. republicans are telling us it would be a huge help with fund-raising especially in the big states of new york, california, and florida. if the republican party were to be more open on this. and people are telling us...
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. >> if the high court decides on doma, what does that mean for opponents for same-sex marriage? is that a settled issue, but is it like obama care and we'll still be talking about it years from now? >> we'll still be talking about it. let's let the states decide one at a time and that's probably the best way. public opinion is definitely shifting. maybe ten years from now, they all will be there. >> if the states decide, then we have patch work of laws where you have folks who can get married in california, but if they move to nebraska, are they recognized there? whatever your politics, there needs to be a settled universal law. >> for a while, gay rights advocates have argued that this shouldn't be settled in the courts, because he wanted a victory of public opinion. he wanted states one by one to have their people come over to the right side of the issue in their view. but i think that even andrew sullivan have come to the point where they say the majority of americans support same-sex marriage and those who oppose it are becoming less and less politically relevant. i think th
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reporter: after president obama declared the law unconstitutional, republicans came in though defend doma. the case comes in a different political climate than four years ago when prop 8 became law. an example, yesterday republican adviser karl rove said in the next election he could see pub one of the republican candidates favoring same-sex marriage. >> we will be covering a lot next week. thank you very much. >>> an apology from the irs over a training video that parodied star trek and paid for by taxpayer money. kelly o'donnell is in washington with more on that story. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. well, anytime your tax money is wasted, it's frustrating but especially so when it is the irs that's accused of poor judgment. a congressional committee found this star trek spoof didn't have any training value in it at all. to boldly go hollywood. ♪ the irs spent $60,000. >> captain log. >> reporter: making two videos including this elaborate "star trek" parody. >> sorry about the uniforms, the dry cleaner gave us the wrong order. >> how fast can you get out of here. >>
reporter: after president obama declared the law unconstitutional, republicans came in though defend doma. the case comes in a different political climate than four years ago when prop 8 became law. an example, yesterday republican adviser karl rove said in the next election he could see pub one of the republican candidates favoring same-sex marriage. >> we will be covering a lot next week. thank you very much. >>> an apology from the irs over a training video that parodied star...